Torrent Shenanigans

[Fhanados]

Hi guys!

I was watching a game between Blood Angels and GK/IG yesterday, both players good friends of mine. A situation arose which made me cry shenanigans, but my complaint was soon dismissed by RAW.

Basically what happened is a Dreadnight armed with a heavy incinerator aimed his template on an almost sidways direction, catching 2 units. I thought this was outrageous!

Reading the rule as RAW, the template must be placed with the pointy end closer than the fat end, but no direction is specified, so this means he done nothing contrary to the rule for the heavy incinerator. Checking the Torrent USR, it was worded exactly the same, meaning Burning Brand, Baleflamer and other uberflamers could do this.

My impression of the rule was that it is intended to extend the range of a template, like Salamanders in WHFB, so to me this goes against RAI.

Has anyone else experienced this, or have any arguments for/against. It just seems wrong to me but I've got nothing to back it up with...

[The Man They Call Jayne]

He was right in his action. The rules for Template weapons like flamers and suchlike say you have to cover as much of the target unit as possible. So aslong as the fat end is further than than the pointy end, its right, and indeed, required.

It represents the firer using a longer burst of flame and spraying more of the target. It makes the Burning Brand of Skalithrax utterly deadly.

[Fhanados]

Thanks for clarifying. I can see now why people scream about Helldrakes being OP (although I still disagree with that). I might actually use Burning Brand in a few games. Show those Grey Knight bastards what the servants of the Dark Gods are really capable of!

[Chicop76]

He was right in his action. The rules for Template weapons like flamers and suchlike say you have to cover as much of the target unit as possible. So aslong as the fat end is further than than the pointy end, its right, and indeed, required.

It represents the firer using a longer burst of flame and spraying more of the target. It makes the Burning Brand of Skalithrax utterly deadly.
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Good thing to know when I decide to use my DreaKnight to flame targets. I learned that the Brand of Skalithrax used on a Nurgle Bike lord is very op when it wounds on 2s and ignores cover and regular saves.

[Scout Sergeant Mkoll]

Good thing to know when I decide to use my DreaKnight to flame targets. I learned that the Brand of Skalithrax used on a Nurgle Bike lord is very op when it wounds on 2s and ignores cover and regular saves.

Burning Brand is only S4, the only thing it wounds on 2s are Grots or anything that's been Enfeebled.

[Chicop76]

Good thing to know when I decide to use my DreaKnight to flame targets. I learned that the Brand of Skalithrax used on a Nurgle Bike lord is very op when it wounds on 2s and ignores cover and regular saves.

Burning Brand is only S4, the only thing it wounds on 2s are Grots or anything that's been Enfeebled.
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It wounds on 2s if the Tallyman is being used with enough tallies earned. All ranged and melee weapons wounds on 2s from followers of Nurgle ( icon of Nurgle with 10 tallies). Plus is it's strength is higher or equal to the toughness of it's target it get's to re roll to wound as well.

[Arguleon-veq]

Yeah thats how it works but I dont think its even against Rules as Intended. The games developers knew full well they would be used like that as thats what they wanted.

As has been said though it does make weapons like  that VERY dangerous. There arent that many though.