Crisis weapons and Twin Linking and new FAQ.

[The Man They Call Jayne]

If I am reading this correctly:

Q: Can I take three of the same (not Twin-linked) weapons on my
Crisis suit? (p100)
A: Yes. Remember though that a Crisis battlesuit can still only
fire a maximum of two weapon systems per Shooting phase.
For example: A Crisis battlesuit could be equipped with three
(non Twin-linked) burst cannons, or one Twin-linked burst
cannon and one (non Twin-linked) burst cannon, so long as
you pay the appropriate cost in each instance. In either case,
make sure your opponent is aware how you have chosen to
equip such models at the beginning of the game.

It seems to be saying that you can decide, when equipping your suits, if the weapons on it are Twin Linked or not.

So I could take a TL Fusion Blaster for the TL cost in the codex, or two SINGLE Fusion Blasters for Single Cost x2.

If thats so then it radically changes the weapon load outs that I am likely to take.

[BlackPowderChocobo]

Oh hells yes!

It's still situational (and frighteningly expensive with some weapons), but still, zomg.

This drastically changes my suicide suit drops, even if it will cost a bit more now.  Debating between a TL FB and a FB or 2 FB and a Flamer.  Same cost for both, but the second provides slightly better versatility in case of deep strike mishaps. 

Thanks for the notice Mr. Jayne; didn't notice that part since the file name was the same. 

[The Man They Call Jayne]

I'm am thinking 2 Flamers (hearby referred to as the Death Valley configuration) instead of the standard Heatwave. 6 Flamers will make a mess of anything. Massed Plasma is going to be equally devastating.

[KCKitsune]

Forget about two plasma rifles... two missile pods.  4 non-TL reaper autocannon shots per suit!  Add in counter fire and it costs almost 6 fire warriors.

Here's an evil loadout for your commander: 2 plasma rifles, shield generator, VRT, Iridium armor, Puretide engram chip, Oranger gauntlet, and Repulsor Impact Field.  Cost: 2 points shy of twenty-two firewarriors (new codex cost)

[The Man They Call Jayne]

Well worth it though. Added mobility, better Toughness and Save, and it makes up for the average accuracy.

[BlackPowderChocobo]

I'm am thinking 2 Flamers (hearby referred to as the Death Valley configuration) instead of the standard Heatwave. 6 Flamers will make a mess of anything. Massed Plasma is going to be equally devastating.

Death Valley is an interesting choice, but I think Inferno is a more generic name that still gets the fiery death point across (alas, if only Tau had heavy flamers...)

[The Man They Call Jayne]

I went with Death Valley because Heatwave suggests great heat, but not fire by default. Death Valley is one big heatwave. There is madness in my method

[knightperson]

Forget about two plasma rifles... two missile pods.  4 non-TL reaper autocannon shots per suit!  Add in counter fire and it costs almost 6 fire warriors.

Here's an evil loadout for your commander: 2 plasma rifles, shield generator, VRT, Iridium armor, Puretide engram chip, Oranger gauntlet, and Repulsor Impact Field.  Cost: 2 points shy of twenty-two firewarriors (new codex cost)

Keep in mind that somewhere in the fine print it states that a model firing overwatch may fire ONE weapon. The built-in multitrackers don't help. So the twin-linked burst cannon will be more effective in overwatch / supporting fire than the pair of single-linked ones. Of course, you could just kit out the suit with one of each and use the twin-linked one for overwatch.

I think this is going to be most useful with flamers, but the suicide-deep-strike-tank-killer suit (really need a better name for that) would definitely benefit from double fusion blasters. For the other weapon combinations, I'm not sure. Double weapons are significantly more expensive than twin-linked ones, and I'm not sure it's always worth it. I'll throw some mathhammer at it later, but I'm pretty sure you're better off with the double weapons than twin-linked ones on BS5 commander suits, but not necessarily on the regular ones.

[The Man They Call Jayne]

Novaforge. Its a Sunforge with more kick

While the cost is higher, I think it would be worth it. The effect of 12 Plasma shots at 18" (taking into account movement) at a potentially high BS is too great to ignore. And the sheer number of shots make up for the average BS. 6 out of 12 instead of 4 out of 6. But you CAN if you were lucky score far more. Quantity is a quality of its own here.

[KCKitsune]

Forget about two plasma rifles... two missile pods.  4 non-TL reaper autocannon shots per suit!  Add in counter fire and it costs almost 6 fire warriors.

Here's an evil loadout for your commander: 2 plasma rifles, shield generator, VRT, Iridium armor, Puretide engram chip, Oranger gauntlet, and Repulsor Impact Field.  Cost: 2 points shy of twenty-two firewarriors (new codex cost)

Keep in mind that somewhere in the fine print it states that a model firing overwatch may fire ONE weapon. The built-in multitrackers don't help. So the twin-linked burst cannon will be more effective in overwatch / supporting fire than the pair of single-linked ones. Of course, you could just kit out the suit with one of each and use the twin-linked one for overwatch.

If what you're shooting at dies horribly, then you don't NEED overwatch.

I mean think about this Knight, with 2 markerlight hits, a squad with twin plasma rifles in rapid fire range will have 12 shots that hit on 2's, wound on 2's and allow no save.  That is a marine squad... hell that's most of a TERMINATOR squad.

EDIT: Also, where does it say that you can only fire one weapon? 

I'm looking at the rule book right now and it doesn't say anything about only one weapon.  It says that overwatch follows all the rules for normal shooting.  I even checked out the FAQ for the main rule book and it didn't say anything about it.

[knightperson]

The important phrase is in the Tau codex. Multitrackers allow a model to "fire an extra weapon each Shooting phase." Since overwatch happens in the assault phase, multitrackers don't apply.

[KCKitsune]

The important phrase is in the Tau codex. Multitrackers allow a model to "fire an extra weapon each Shooting phase." Since overwatch happens in the assault phase, multitrackers don't apply.

I understand, but reread the rules for overwatch.  Specifically page 21 third paragraph.  It states that:

An Overwatch attack is resolved like a normal shooting attack (albeit one resolved in the enemy's Assault phase) and uses all the normal rules for range, line of sight, cover saves and so on.

To me that means it follows ALL the rules for a ranged attack attack... including walkers, monstrous creatures and multi-trackers.

[Tactical Genius]

Codex overules rulebook and the codex clearly defines the phase a multitraker may be used. its as clear as day. i would argue that the only reason that line is in the codex entry is for exactly that reason.

[KCKitsune]

Codex overules rulebook and the codex clearly defines the phase a multitraker may be used. its as clear as day. i would argue that the only reason that line is in the codex entry is for exactly that reason.

The line in the codex is this:

A model with a multi-tracker can fire an additional weapon in each Shooting phase.

My question to you TG is this:  how many shooting phases are there?  I thought there was only ONE shooting phase per player.

[The Man They Call Jayne]

Then the argument could be made that it specifies EACH because the Overwatch action counts as a situational shooting phase. It doesn't say THE Shooting Phase. Each suggests more than one.